How a 7 Day Meditation Retreat Rewired Stress, Belief, & Healing Part 2

What if attention and emotion could nudge your biology toward healing? We dive into a potent mix of emerging research, lived experience, and practical tools to explore how meditation, sound baths, and intention might change the way the body behaves. We talk through exosomes—tiny messengers that carry proteins and microRNAs—and the provocative idea that elevated neural activity and emotion could influence gene expression beyond the brain. It’s a big claim, but we ground it with routines anyone can try: loving-kindness, breathwork, yoga, salt baths, and self-Reiki.

You’ll hear revealing stories: a sudden drop in sugar cravings after a full-moon sound bath, pain relief after a foot injury thanks to Reiki, and a long history of stress-linked dermatitis easing with consistent meditation. We also reflect on collective healing sessions, the role of epigenetics, and why feeling the outcome as if it’s already here is the key to seeing changes in your life. Along the way, we consider sleep, wearables, and energy hygiene—turning off devices, stepping away from EMF during deep work, and using movement as a gateway into stillness.

This isn’t about blind faith; it’s about testing simple, low-cost inputs that quiet stress and let the body self-correct. Whether you’re “woo-curious” or data-driven, you’ll leave with things to try, resources to explore, and a renewed sense of agency over your inner world. If this conversation sparks something, share it with a friend who needs a nudge toward calm, subscribe for more curious deep dives, and leave a review to help others find the show.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Welcome And Retreat Context
• 1:06 Science Claims And Exosome Findings
• 6:39 Feeling It: Emotion Is the Catalyst
• 7:36 Heidi's Visited By Spirit Guides & Self-Heals With Reiki
• 16:56 Heidi's Recent Meditation Experience
• 20:22 Collective Healing And Access
• 22:07 Healers Killing Cancer Cells In a Petri Dish
• 22:51 Meditation Can Improve Your Appearance!
• 25:04 Meditation Can Elevate Your Energy
• 26:09 A Woman Healed Her Cystic Fibrosis
• 27:30 Get the Books From the Library, You Can Benefit Without Spending Money
• 28:04 Meditation Can Remind You of Who You Really Are
• 30:03 Dr. Joe's Latest Book, Becoming Supernatural
• 31:04 A Reiki Healing at Etty's Work
• 32:24 Heidi Feels Unregulated When Her Meditation Practice Slips
• 33:11 Getting Migraines To Give Yourself Permission To Have Self-Care Time
• 36:01 Etty Healed Her Stress-Related Skin Condition
• 38:29 Meditation Can Remind You What's Important In Life
• 39:08 Heidi Lost Weight & Healed Her Thyroid Via Meditation and Reiki
• 40:34 Closing And Listener Invitation

Transcript

[00:00:00] Etienne: If people don't believe that this can do anything for them, I mean, just think about when you've been around people who I know. I don't mean just don't just try it. Yes. But if they've ever been around people who give off energy that is so good that they wanna be around them.

[00:00:13] Heidi: Yeah. 

[00:00:14] Etienne: That's what I'm talking about. We all have energy that we give off and we can all tap into that and with meditation you can feel like you're at one with everything. So, and like, kind of like the loving kindness meditation, you are one with everything. You are loving everything. You're loving yourself, everything is good. Everything is the way it should be. Everything is, everything can be corrected in one in the field. It's incredible.

[00:00:39] Heidi: Yeah. More people need to meditate. 

[00:00:42] Etienne: Welcome listeners. This is The Women Are Plotting. I'm Etienne Rose Olivier and I'm here with my friends and co-hosts, Heidi Willis and Jane Gari.

[00:00:57] Etienne: This is part two of a two part episode where we discuss Dr. Joe Dispenza's meditation retreat. Tune into the previous episode to hear part one.

[00:01:06] Etienne: But I can tell you guys some of the results that they've gotten from the actual scientific data that they've collected, and they have been publishing papers in scientific journals about the stuff that they've collected. And, Dr. Hemel Patel is the main doctor in charge of most of their scientific research. And he's has had already 170 peer reviewed research papers before getting involved with Dr. Joe Dispenza. And he's a Pulitzer Prize winning doctor. So they started collecting data in February of 2020. They used new meditators, experienced meditators, and they had a control group, but most of the time the new meditators were getting just as much of the positive results as the experienced meditators, the people who are already doing it every day for like, you know, like, I guess I would be a inexperienced meditator group. The ones who do it every single day, it's a part of their life. But the main thing that they were finding is that, there's these exosomes and exosomes are a particular size particle that have unique components inside them, like proteins, microRNAs, mitochondrial DNA and all kinds of nucleic material.

[00:02:12] Etienne: And these exosomes can modulate the effect from one cell to the next. So they can regulate hundreds of downstream gene products and proteins that essentially affect how a cell behaves and regulates. Oh, and the exosomes, they were 45% higher from the start of the retreat to the end in one of the subjects who was an experienced meditator and their control group had only gone up 5%. So that shows you how much difference. They were 40% higher in their exosomes from the meditators.

[00:02:44] Heidi: And I wonder if the control group, they're like in the same building

[00:02:48] Etienne: they are, they're at the retreat. They're at the retreat. They're, they're not meditating. 

[00:02:53] Heidi: But they're getting, but it's like secondhand smoke and they're getting a little bit of the energy and 

[00:02:56] Etienne: Even just being around them, that might be the 5%, they 

[00:02:59] Heidi: Yeah, exactly. That's, I, they're getting a little contact high or whatever.

[00:03:05] Etienne: So the scientists hypothesis is that when a meditator goes into their meditative space, the brain's electrical activity leads to a dramatic change in the cell biology behavior of a neuron. Okay. And so if the brain is full of neurons during this elevated electrical activity, which also elevates emotion. The cell membrane potentially sheds pieces of that membrane and packages specific nucleic acid material that then is allocated that material to travel throughout the body, either through the blood-brain barrier or through cerebral spinal fluid. So it eventually reaches the bloodstream and being able to impact various organs throughout the body.

[00:03:48] Etienne: So this then leads to the release of pieces of the cell that packages information. This information in the form of an exosome specific proteins, microRNAs and other nucleic acid molecules then travel away from the neuron to, let's say a cancer cell or a tumor somewhere in the body, and they can manipulate the expression of genes and proteins and other things within that tumor to then change the behavior of that tumor cell.

[00:04:16] Etienne: And what they've mostly seen is that the tumors or the cancer in the body, they destroy their mitochondrial. They can no longer create energy. Their energy is taken from them. 

[00:04:25] Heidi: Yeah, well, if you think about it, like we are our own little universe, right? So if we change the energy of our own universe, our bodies, you know, and say, Hey, little cells. Do this, this, and this. I'm in charge, like,

[00:04:43] Etienne: Yeah 

[00:04:44] Heidi: I don't know. Yeah.

[00:04:46] Jane: I mean, this totally dovetails into the principles of epigenetics, right? Like, so if you're, 

[00:04:50] Etienne: That's what they're saying. Yeah.

[00:04:51] Jane: Yeah. So I mean, if you are able to like, turn on and turn off genes by doing all different types of things, like the meditation obviously, then that you're saying, this is scientific evidence of being able to actually bring consciousness to bear on what is happening inside your body so that you could shut down a genetic process just by saying like, okay, I'm gonna focus on this biomarker and just be like, all right. And then maybe these exosomes that you're talking about be like, all right, I just would like to shut down my diabetes. Like, let's just not, let's just let, just not, you

[00:05:24] Etienne: Yeah. I mean, if they literally know like their islet cells. Yeah. If you have diabetes, you wanna like get your islet cells working, you want your islet cells to produce insulin again, the way it should.

[00:05:33] Heidi: Mm-hmm. 

[00:05:34] Jane: I mean, this is what I do with like a meditative practice on inflammation, right? For, an autoimmune disease of just like, okay, let's just calm everything down. We don't have to attack our own body. It's just like everybody get along, you know? And then marry that with other healthful practices, the food that you're taking into your body and, all of those other things. I feel like,

[00:05:54] Etienne: Yeah. Like proper sleep, proper food. Yeah. All of the, mm-hmm. 

[00:05:59] Jane: This is all tools in the toolbox. But I do often, I'm super grateful for this conversation because I feel like sometimes because the quote unquote physical, like, okay, I'm not going to eat these foods 'cause I know that they cause inflammation in my system and I'll do these things that are like very concrete that seem like the through line of cause to effect is super evident to me. But. Like I was saying, even about that other near-death experience I had, I know for a fact that the woo woo is true.

[00:06:29] Heidi: Yes. 

[00:06:29] Jane: Like, like I could totally have that impact by just that intentional focus. That is a meditative practice and I think that, yeah, just need to do it.

[00:06:39] Etienne: Yeah 

[00:06:39] Etienne: what he says, you'll hear him say it so many times we just repeat it back to him. He is like, where you place your attention is where you place your energy. So that's why when he has his focus on different things at different times and then lets you focus in certain parts of the meditation, what are you trying to achieve?

[00:06:54] Etienne: What are you trying to like, focus your energy on that. What does that feel like? So he's basically saying you can, and it's probably in that movie as well, I haven't seen the what, the bleep movie for a long time, but I did see it when it first came out. And, what I think they missed in that one is not just having attention on something, but to have the emotional experience of it.

[00:07:17] Etienne: That's what he wants you to do. He wants you not just to have, you're not just putting the thought out there over and over again. You're also then experiencing it as if it's actually happening, and you're having the emotional reaction to having all of that happen for you. So it's that extra bit that makes it actually happen. For real.

[00:07:36] Heidi: Well, since Jane brought the woowoo, let's get woowoo. I had a woo. I had a very woowoo week with my meditations. I'll start off with a week ago. I can't believe it was just a week ago Tuesday. Okay, so here's my week. I had been smelling something dead in my apartment for a couple weeks. Oh yeah. Like something had died or there was a garbage smell.

[00:08:03] Heidi: I thought I was looking for something physical. Right. I thought something had died in my vents, 'cause I've been having AC problems. So my friend Gloria comes over before we go to the sound bath meditation and I smell it very strongly. And I asked her, do you smell that? Where is that coming? And she's like, your place smells like flowers. I don't smell it.

[00:08:24] Etienne: Heidi 

[00:08:24] Heidi: And I'm like, oh, it's spiritual. Because I have that, I have the Claire that comes from the nose. 'Cause I've had people come through with their sons. My brother-in-law being one of them, with his cheesy feet

[00:08:40] Etienne: Oh 

[00:08:40] Heidi: la Yeah. He, he had really bad smelling feet when he visited us in,

[00:08:46] Etienne: did he for real? Or are you

[00:08:47] Heidi: For real. For real. He was a teenager when he came to visit us,

[00:08:50] Etienne: oh, okay. 

[00:08:51] Heidi: were living in Germany. This is in the nineties and he was a teenager. Yeah. And we were always giving him crap about, man, we're gonna throw out these shoes, you know. So he died tragically at age 27. Gosh

[00:09:04] Etienne: I'm so sorry. 

[00:09:06] Heidi: Like, I don't know, 16, 17 years ago. Anyway, when I was in LA I smell those cheesy feet in my Airbnb. And I'm like, what? Because I'm cleaning my air. And it just came at me and I'm like, oh my gosh, Nathan. I just instantly thought of him. 'Cause I hadn't smelled that smell since Nathan. And then the smell went away and I got the messages. There were messages for my ex-husband, a very deep, profound one. So anyway, fast forward to Tuesday. So I'm smelling this garbage smell, and Gloria does not smell it. And I'm like, oh, it's spiritual. And I'm like, who? What is this? And Gloria's like, well just ask it. And so, yeah, I asked it. Oh, came right through. It's a new spirit guide. His name is Oscar the Grouch. He lives in a garbage can. He takes out my garbage. So. The everything garbage. So during, during the Sound Bath, here's this spirit guide, working with my ancestors, angels, everybody, and taking this garbage out. And I swear I was gonna start levitating.

[00:10:12] Heidi: It was so intense and so profound. I was like shaking and I felt like I was doing healing on Gloria at the same time. She's shaking and crying. So that was a profound experience. And oh, so once I named it, okay, oh, it's Oscar, the smell went away. The smell of roses came on. That's always my mom, so I knew that she was there too.

[00:10:35] Heidi: So that happened on Tuesday and then, they had a eight, eight portal sound bath and crystal Event on Friday. And I had dropped a rose quartz crystal by accident on my foot. It was throbbing. Throbbing. And I reinjured it when I was laying out my yoga mat for the sound bath, and it was just throbbing.

[00:10:57] Heidi: And I was like, oh man, what am I gonna do? This is gonna keep me from going in. I instantly thought, oh yeah, I can do reiki. And I just did a couple minutes of reiki and I thought, oh, I could heal this thing. Dude, I freaking healed my foot during this sound bath, like I touch, it doesn't hurt at all. Like, and the bruise is almost gone. The bruise is almost gone. And that's never happened. Like I thought I broke my foot. It was a large

[00:11:26] Etienne: I was like, how big is this quartz?

[00:11:28] Heidi: It was large. It was like baseball size, I'm

[00:11:31] Etienne: Oh my God.

[00:11:33] Heidi: Yes. And it's totally fine. So I healed myself right, with just meditating and sound bath and doing reiki on myself.

[00:11:41] Heidi: And then last night was another sound bath that was for the full moon. So it was like, man, I just got spoiled with all these sound bath meditations. Another spirit guide came in and this, I kept smelling smoke, cigarette smoke. And I'm like, okay, this must be a new one because my, landlord certainly doesn't smoke. I don't smoke. So where's the cigarette smell? Well, it's a spirit guide that helps with habits. So his name is Lucky Larry. He looks like a scat cat, you know, like

[00:12:14] Etienne: Okay. 

[00:12:15] Heidi: He's pretty funny. But throughout the whole thing, they were pulling out this habit monster, this addiction monster that has gone through my lineage apparently. And it was just healing me and my ancestors. Like, it was,

[00:12:31] Etienne: Oh 

[00:12:31] Heidi: was incredible. I was seeing sacred geometry the whole time. I was crying, like shaking and I could feel it being pulled out of my belly button.

[00:12:41] Etienne: Hmm. 

[00:12:42] Heidi: But I felt so much lighter and like I could just float outta the room. And I have not touched sugar since that day, or

[00:12:50] Heidi: I guess it was just yesterday. But I have not craved sugar. I feel like addiction is just no longer even a part of my system or anything. And addiction is big in both sides of my family.

[00:13:01] Etienne: It's funny that you said that you smelled smoke because literally I smelled smoke for a couple days on and off during my meditations or right around the meditation time, and I'm obviously in the middle of a room where nobody's smoking. Like this is the big room and nobody is smoking. I swear to God it's like my face was in an ashtray. That's how powerful the smell

[00:13:22] Heidi: yeah, yeah. 

[00:13:24] Etienne: But I mean, maybe I have some spirit guide that I don't, I dunno how to tap

[00:13:28] Heidi: Well, just start communicating with it. Like, okay, I acknowledge you. What's your name? What message you have for me? That's what I started doing. And

[00:13:35] Etienne: Did you say it out loud or can you just say it internally or,

[00:13:38] Heidi: We can say it internally. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:13:40] Etienne: I mean, I don't mind saying out loud if nobody's around. I 

[00:13:43] Heidi: Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

[00:13:45] Etienne: you know. Oh 

[00:13:47] Heidi: But yeah, you can say it telepathically through your head because that's how they're coming to you. But as soon as I acknowledged him the cigarette smoke, I haven't smelled, I cigarette smoke anymore. But it's wild. Like so many spirit guides have been coming to me, just rapid fire all week.

[00:14:03] Heidi: And I feel like so much healing has happened this week. Yeah, yesterday with the sacred geometry happening, I was like, what is going on? I'm not on anything and I feel like I'm having a psychedelic experience. And then just the feeling of something being pulled outta my belly button was insane, and I could feel it hanging onto my shoulders and my toes

[00:14:25] Etienne: Oh, like a part of it. Not wanting to. 

[00:14:28] Heidi: Yeah, I was not wanting to leave and I was helping, I was sending Reiki to the thing. I was like, you are leaving. I want you no part of you anymore.

[00:14:37] Etienne: That's so funny that you thought it outta your belly button though too, because it's supposedly like bacteria in our gut that are sending signals to our brain telling us it wants sugar. So for you to have it coming outta your belly but is like

[00:14:50] Etienne: perfect. 

[00:14:51] Jane: Yeah. Because that's like the bad gut bacteria craves it and will send messages to your brain, like, through like 

[00:14:59] Jane: enzymes and just being like, give it to us. Give it to us. And you just can have that overgrowth 

[00:15:03] Heidi: And I was kind of on a sugar tear the last couple weeks. And I felt like, 'cause I was doing a lot of inner child work and when I was younger, like candy or sugar meant good things were happening. It was a 

[00:15:16] Etienne: Um, yeah. 

[00:15:18] Heidi: know, it meant we were flush with money, it was a treat. Oh, you did good. So I felt like I was really working through something and it was leading up to this healing that I went through last night with this habit monster being pulled outta me and, oh, I forgot to tell you. So Jane knows about my dragon friend from childhood that yeah, 

[00:15:40] Jane: it's gonna make me cry. You need to write about this dragon. Sorry.

[00:15:44] Heidi: I know. You're really gonna cry. This habit monster was my dragon's shadow. And so at the end, I saw my inner child riding my dragon and being so happy because the shadow was back and was underneath the dragon as they were flying off. And I was just like, bawling.

[00:16:01] Jane: Oh.

[00:16:02] Heidi: 'Cause it was like that shadow completed a part of him or whatever. And so it needed to come out of me to, I don't know, it was very poignant, very profound. And yeah, I just felt like there was so much inner child healing that happened. And, I've been doing the work, I've been really processing a lot of stuff and thinking back and forgiving people of my past and forgiving myself, for the things I did and didn't do. And, the ways that I allowed trauma to affect my life and others in my life. So yeah, this whole week has been insane. Yeah. Lots of woo woo.

[00:16:37] Etienne: Seriously can only imagine. You have to sell your cabin so you can go to a retreat. Like I can't even, you would have crazy experiences, I'm sure. My God. 

[00:16:46] Heidi: I know just listening to you talk about it, I'm like, I can't even imagine 'cause oh, oh, I didn't even tell you about Saturday.

[00:16:55] Etienne: A whole nother

[00:16:56] Heidi: Oh my God. So even before last night's profound healing, so Saturday I had that gas leak, and I was just really unsettled all day and just really shaky and just feeling off, 'cause I still had the habit monster and I think it knew it was about to be removed. So my guidance was like, get in the damn tub and freaking meditate already. 'Cause that's when I do my best meditation is in when I have a salt bath. And so my guidance was like, okay, first you're gonna do your own meditation with just music. So that's what I did. And all this imagery came in and it was all about, I've done all this expansion and healing, but there's these thin walls thin, like you could punch through them easily, but I have kept them up almost like that elephant that's chained and grows up. And, now that he's an adult, he could easily pull that bar up and leave, but doesn't know, 'cause it's always been chained. So I've had these blocks and these walls up to my own growth and I'm the only one that's keeping them up.

[00:17:56] Heidi: Right? And there was rainbows, I don't know, there's all this imagery, right? So this was exactly a half hour that s lasted. And then I was told, okay, now it's time to do the Reiki Rachel, or sign 2025 meditation, which I've been waiting to do for months now, right? So I do this, oh my god, dudes, it lined up with everything. Everything that I had just done all on my own. Her guided meditation was all about, it's like a bubble. It's like this balloon. And if you just pop it, you've expanded so much. Your energy has expanded so much and you've done all this healing. If you just pop it, all these, the blessings will come in.

[00:18:34] Heidi: And she talked about rainbows and there were so many other things. I was crying throughout this entire guided meditation, and I realized why, 'cause I do this woman's guided meditations religiously and why I didn't do her first of the year meditations. I have no idea. It was because I wasn't supposed to do 'em until now.

[00:18:52] Heidi: And this one especially, it was so profound. I just kept going, okay, I will never doubt this ever again. That there's these experiences going on. Because it, seriously, it lined up exactly with what I had just done. The way she was speaking and the imagery she was. Oh God. It was just, it was an amazing experience.

[00:19:10] Heidi: I can't even put it to words or do it justice. 'Cause yeah, I just cried throughout the whole time because I was like, oh my God, I just, did this all on my own and now I'm being, have this confirmation of everything I just went through that this is real, this divine guidance is real. And I'm just so grateful. Like, I just kept going. I'm so grateful. I'm so grateful, I'm so grateful for this healing, for this journey. Everything. Just, so, yeah. Meditation people, it can, it can be very woowoo and you can heal not just physical ailments, but like past traumas, I feel like I'm a completely different person than I was three years ago.

[00:19:51] Etienne: Oh, I'm sure you are.

[00:19:52] Heidi: Since starting this. I feel like I'm gaining so many gifts that I had kind of locked away by shunning these different parts of myself, so now these gifts are coming flooding back and I just feel like miracles are gonna start happening. I mean, miracles have happened and magic happens all the time, and yeah, I'm just so grateful. But yeah, that's my meditation experiences.

[00:20:22] Etienne: At the retreat, at lunch one day, there was a couple from Sweden sitting at my table and once people have finished eating, they start talking to each other or they start talking while they're eating, which is hard 'cause you know, you don't really wanna show your food.

[00:20:34] Etienne: But, yeah, so this one lady was saying the Swedish lady, she's like, she had a car accident 10 years ago and the car accident was so traumatic that she literally had tremors. Really violent tremors, all the time, where it sounds like she had Parkinson's, like how much she was tremoring. And while she's sitting here telling us, I'm looking really hard at her, I can kind of see maybe her hand's a little bit, like if she had too much caffeine like that, that that type of like, so, so slight tremor. She actually got to do one healing. They let her be a healie on the very, very first healing that we all did. And she said ever since then, her tremors are almost completely gone for the first time in 10 years. She was doing the Dr. Joe meditations for a while now, like maybe six or eight months. And it was definitely better, but they weren't gone. And this was the first time that it's almost undetectable now

[00:21:24] Heidi: Well, that goes to show you collective healing. Like when a bunch of healers get together and just like go to town on somebody, it can be life changing. Yeah. More hospitals need to like,

[00:21:34] Etienne: I bet they will eventually. 

[00:21:36] Etienne: I Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:21:37] Etienne: If the pharmaceutical companies can keep

[00:21:41] Heidi: Get out of the way.

[00:21:42] Etienne: Exactly. The problem is it's free. Like the energy doesn't have to cost anything, you know, like, um, yeah, the 

[00:21:50] Etienne: coherent feelings That those are free. Like you can sign up for those healings on Dr. Joe's websites and they do not charge for them. You just have to get accepted. And they do those for free, so, yeah.

[00:22:00] Heidi: That's good to know. For people out there that can't make it to a retreat and they, but they want the healing.

[00:22:07] Etienne: Yeah. They've had these, they actually did an experiment too, where they had the healers, they had breast cancer cells in a Petri dish. In a, yeah, in a little like, you know, cubicle in this room and they sent three healers in there to send healing energy and they actually did suppress the breast cancers mitochondrial centers.

[00:22:25] Heidi: Yes. Science, I love when science and woohoo come together and prove one. You know? It's like, man, maybe that's why the forces that be wanna squash science 'cause science is about to prove all the woowoo 

[00:22:40] Etienne: Well, I think it's so funny too because I was like, I want it to be like Star Trek. I want it to be like we're all and then here I was at my retreat and it's like Star Trek there.

[00:22:48] Heidi: Yeah.

[00:22:50] Jane: I mean like quantum,

[00:22:51] Heidi: star. 

[00:22:51] Heidi: You know what I've been meaning to tell you? You look like you're glowing by the way you look. You look like you, you just aged backwards like 10 years. I'm not even joking. Like I wish the audience could see the before and afters 'cause she does. She looks like you look like 10 years ago.

[00:23:08] Jane: You are radiating

[00:23:09] Heidi: Yes. 

[00:23:12] Etienne: My gray like went reverse. I just like started going blonde again. That'd be crazy. No, but thank you. Yeah, I mean, and considering too, like each day that I was there, I only got like four hours of sleep on before the day of the 4:00 AM meditation because you know, I couldn't go to sleep right when I got back to my Airbnb.

[00:23:30] Etienne: Like I couldn't, like, it just wouldn't have happening. So I literally only got four hours of sleep that night and then meditated for five and a half hours. But yeah, like I have slept a lot in the last few days to be serious though. And thank God. 'cause I had not had good like long sleep beyond five hours for over a week and I was just so tired. But I had a lot of energy while I was there. Like it wasn't really affecting me while I was there. It was just 

[00:23:56] Heidi: Well, I think meditation, they say that it's like getting sleep, you know? 

[00:24:00] Jane: Yeah, you don't need to sleep as much

[00:24:01] Etienne: Yeah, and it's crazy too because you know, I wear a smartwatch, so it shows me my different sleep stages. And while I was there meditating, I was having so little if any deep sleep. I think because I was experiencing that during the day in my meditation that I didn't have to get it in my actual sleep time. It was really 

[00:24:20] Etienne: weird. And we do take off, he wants us to take off. So I did every single time take off my smartwatch before every single meditation and put it in my bag. So we turn off our phones for the entire, when we're in the rooms, like in the ballroom with everybody for the teachings and the meditations, no phone on. But yeah, for the actual meditations, I would take off my watch and put it in my bag too. So it would not be affecting my electromagnetic field because I wanna get all the benefits. 

[00:24:47] Heidi: yeah. Plus you didn't want it buzzing you. And I even take my bracelets off sometimes if I'm meditating 'cause the bracelets can hold energy and it might cause fluctuations. 

[00:24:59] Etienne: Yeah, I feel like everything can, yeah, I almost feel like anything can hold energy in a way, you

[00:25:03] Heidi: Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:25:04] Etienne: But it's just incredible. If people don't believe that this can do anything for them, I mean, just think about when you've been around people who I know. I don't mean just don't just try it. Yes. But if they've ever been around people who give off energy that is so good that they wanna be around them.

[00:25:19] Heidi: Yeah. 

[00:25:19] Etienne: That's what I'm talking about. We all have energy that we give off and we can all tap into that and with meditation you can feel like you're at one with everything. So, and like, kind of like the loving kindness meditation, you are one with everything. You are loving everything. You're loving yourself, everything is good. Everything is the way it should be. Everything is, everything can be corrected in one in the field. It's incredible.

[00:25:44] Heidi: Yeah. More people need to meditate.

[00:25:47] Etienne: I mean, if everybody could go to one of these retreats, oh my God, we would literally change the world and like the whole world would be changed. Maybe. I don't know if it could help people with personality disorders, but everybody

[00:26:01] Jane: Maybe even that, I mean.

[00:26:03] Etienne: maybe. I mean,

[00:26:04] Heidi: If it can change DNA and genes turn genes on, on and 

[00:26:09] Etienne: Well if you watch that movie, the Source, there's literally a woman who, a young woman, she looks like she's in her twenties, who has cystic fibrosis, who had gotten to the point where she was only at like 30% lung capacity, that she was on a ventilator to help her breathe. That's when she started doing Dr. Joe's meditations, over her computer. She started doing the online course and then she went to a retreat. And from that retreat forward, she, I think she had a healing, she no longer requires oxygen. She no longer requires a wheelchair. She doesn't have any symptoms anymore of her cystic fibrosis.

[00:26:40] Heidi: Wow, 

[00:26:41] Etienne: That's a genetic 

[00:26:42] Heidi: that's, that is miraculous. Like, yeah. Hmm. See, if the billionaires were doing good with their money, they would fund this so that everybody could have access to this

[00:26:55] Etienne: See, I need to win the lottery. I need to win a billion dollars so I can go give most of it to the Dr. Joe people so that they can expand. There's literally one woman, I think she's the one in the film that started the foundation who gave the seed money that they needed to start doing the studies, the clinical studies. 

[00:27:13] Heidi: Hmm.

[00:27:13] Etienne: I don't know how much she gave. I think they talked about it in the retreat, but it's a ridiculous amount of money. I think that started it, but yeah, that's where the money should go

[00:27:21] Heidi: Yeah. Well, it should go so that people, yeah. So that people can experience these things without breaking the bank or losing a job.

[00:27:30] Etienne: Yeah. No, I mean, you can literally get the, you can get the books from the library. You don't even have to pay for 'em. Just get 'em outta your library. Or if you're homeless, you go read them at the library. Literally you can go read them there. You can do the meditations on your own. You don't need to have anything. I'm sure it'd be a little bit harder, but yeah, I mean, you can also just buy the meditations on his website. It's like 15 bucks per or something. It's not a lot of money, but a hundred percent worth it.

[00:27:55] Heidi: Yeah. 

[00:27:56] Jane: I dunno. You don't have to. I'm sold. I, well, I guess well because I've already, I mean, because I've seen it in my life and I,

[00:28:02] Etienne: Yeah, you did it.

[00:28:03] Heidi: Mm-hmm. 

[00:28:04] Jane: I know these things work and I know that, it's just like the consistency and then just not needing a sense of urgency to do it. Just to say, okay, this is good for me. This is kind of like getting yourself in touch with your true, like the true essence of who you actually are. I do feel to connect it to a spiritual idea that I believe in very strongly, I do believe that we are a species that just has like collective amnesia of our true power and our true sense of self.

[00:28:32] Jane: Like when you're talking about the pineal gland and like these things we can actually have the capability within us to heal ourselves and do all these things. It's like why do we cut ourselves off from that? It's really kind of bonkers that we would just be so,

[00:28:46] Heidi: Organized religion. 

[00:28:47] Jane: I mean yeah, there's, but well, well organized religion and political systems

[00:28:53] Jane: as, as ways 

[00:28:56] Heidi: people off from the divine, from

[00:28:58] Jane: Of, of, of centralizing power in a way so that, because 

[00:29:03] Heidi: Make people forget

[00:29:04] Jane: had exactly. Like, I have amnesia. And then when they're just like, okay, so this is how I feel powerful. And then if something threatens that, they're like, wait, no, no, no, no, no. Like, I need to have all the stuff is how you win this game. Like, I need to have all, and so anything that can perpetuate that, I think it persists. And if we're all collectively bought into these stories of like, yeah, I also need all the stuff. I need the things and the stuff, and I need to like, you know,

[00:29:33] Heidi: They need to trample you to get all the stuff

[00:29:35] Jane: Yes, I need to buy into all of these stories about, you know, who we are and what matters. You know?

[00:29:42] Heidi: We're disconnected from God, God's outside of us, and I gotta talk to this guy in this building to be able to reach God. No, no God's in you. You can reach him. Just meditate some on your own.

[00:29:54] Jane: I'm doing it tonight.

[00:29:56] Heidi: I do it every night, so I fall asleep to meditations and, yeah. I love it.

[00:30:03] Etienne: I would recommend you guys reading the last book that he wrote, it gives all the information that you want and the most current information Becoming Supernatural. That's,

[00:30:11] Heidi: Yeah, I love that. Yep. 

[00:30:12] Etienne: Yeah, So, yeah. You can read that, start doing the meditations. What is it? The water meditation was the one that I, I think I ended up doing. There's body parts and water rising. I think body parts was the one I liked more than water rising. I just feel like I'm eventually gonna drown with the water rising

[00:30:32] Heidi: Yeah. 

[00:30:33] Etienne: wanna keep thinking about the water coming up. I'm like, how am I not freaking out that the water is

[00:30:43] Heidi: Ah.

[00:30:43] Etienne: Sorry? I mean, some people like the water. I would just the body parts. 

[00:30:49] Heidi: Oh, I'll have to do a reiki experience for you. It's about going into the water, but it's a special kind of water that you can breathe

[00:30:58] Etienne: Ooh, that's cool. I want 

[00:31:00] Heidi: it's a healing Reiki water. Yeah. It's a really good meditative journey.

[00:31:04] Etienne: Oh, it's so funny that lady that I told you that I'm gonna be taking her reiki class from in a week and a half. So she did the healing at work on me and one other, two other nurses on our unit. And she didn't say anything to me after the meditation, but then she, we went off and did it separately, 'cause I, I thought I could concentrate better if we weren't sitting in the room with everybody else. But she did the other two in the room while we were all sitting there. And I was not staring, but I was just like, quiet, not making any noise. But she told them what she was thinking when she was doing the meditations or what she was getting back from them.

[00:31:34] Etienne: Like what kind of feelings and energies or whatever was like, something was blocked or like this one needed to go out and put her feet in the grass every day because she's like, what in the grass? I don't understand. Like, she really was not getting, she needed to be grounded. And, then they're like, well, what about Etienne, what did you feel like with her?

[00:31:51] Etienne: And she was like, oh no, she's good. Like you. What do you do? Like, you meditate a lot, right? You must, I'm like, yeah. Every day she's like, yep, she's fine. Like, 

[00:31:59] Heidi: yeah, yeah. Her 

[00:32:01] Etienne: nothing was wrong. There we're good.

[00:32:03] Heidi: No 

[00:32:03] Jane: Nice. 

[00:32:04] Etienne: No wonder she didn't say anything after, like, there's nothing, it was good. I like that. I was like, she, why didn't she say anything about me? As, as I was thinking, like when she's talking about that, I'm like, well, I think I don't need to be grounded. I'm pretty much outside a lot like,

[00:32:20] Heidi: Mm-hmm. 

[00:32:22] Etienne: Oh man.

[00:32:24] Heidi: Yeah. I can tell when I get out of my practice, 'cause I do, my body gets all outta 

[00:32:30] Jane: Mm-hmm. 

[00:32:31] Heidi: I'm not emotionally regulated anymore. And like, Saturday, even though I've been going to several sound baths Saturday, I was just so unregulated and the guidance was like, get in the damn bath ready and do this meditation. Okay. So yeah. So 

[00:32:50] Etienne: cool. 

[00:32:51] Heidi: yeah, sometimes my my spirit guide are very forceful. 

[00:32:55] Etienne: Yeah. They probably are just how they need to be for you, Heidi, to get 

[00:33:00] Jane: Get in the tub. 

[00:33:01] Heidi: I'm, i'm, I'm, very, I can be very stubborn sometimes, like, why am I so just get in the damn tub and meditate already, lady.

[00:33:10] Heidi: Okay. 

[00:33:11] Jane: Yeah. 

[00:33:11] Jane: I actually feel like my guides or whatever you'd wanna call them, I feel like when I was younger that the only way I would give myself a break is if I lay still and give myself permission to just be and, and kind of go into a meditative practice would be, and this will occasionally, I'm gonna knock on all the wood that doesn't happen to me soon. But, like to have a debilitating migraine, right? And then I would be like, all right, the only cure for this is to sit in a dark room for hours alone and just focus on releasing every kind of negativity that you could like, imagine spiritually and physically. Right? And then I would feel, almost like I call it a migraine hangover, the next day I'd feel like, but then I would feel like really good for a while. And I was like, why do I have to get myself into this situation where like, that's the only way I am gonna give my myself permission. Right. To have some kind of like quote unquote, self-care day. And I've noticed like the older I get, it's so rare that that happens to me anymore. But when I was younger it happened a lot. And I think that that was like the only way I would give myself permission. Because I could tell other people like, I'm having this episode, so you have to give me space instead of just claiming that space and care routine and having, like what I know now is a meditation practice. The only way that I would let myself carve out time to do it is if I was saying it was medically necessary.

[00:34:37] Jane: I'm like, that's insane. I'm like, just do it like, as a regular thing, you know? And now it's something that, yeah. That I just do as a part of regular life. And for me, yoga is really attached to my meditation practice. It works for me, because I almost need to do these physical things to get myself in the space to then have that stillness. Like I have to have a moving meditation first and then be like, okay, now your body is expended. Like now you're in a position where you can now sit here and do the other mental and spiritual work. 

[00:35:12] Heidi: Yeah, and I think that's what the sound baths do. The imagery that was given to me by spirit is we're in there and it's like dogs when they're coming out of a muddy pond or something and they shake off all the mud and crap off their coats. That's kind of what we're doing spiritually with our bodies at these sound baths is the sound waves are like shaking off all the crap. And so you're kind of doing the same thing with the yoga. You know, you're shaking off all the crap so you can get kind of centered and like, okay, now it's, yeah, let's meditate and really get centered and align those chakras and get our energy. Right.

[00:35:47] Jane: Yeah. 

[00:35:48] Heidi: Yeah. Yeah. 'cause there's a lot of pent up stuff that gets caught, I think in our energetic bodies.

[00:35:55] Etienne: Yeah, I think trauma and stress, it's like, yeah.

[00:35:57] Heidi: That ends up screwing up you physically and mentally, you know? Yeah. 

[00:36:01] Etienne: Yeah. One thing I did heal myself for, I know this is gonna sound stupid because I don't really have anything besides, I just had a lot of stress before, was that I had, or I did. I think I no longer have these conditions, peri oral and periorbital dermatitis. So I would have to use these disgusting creams and gels on my face twice a day.

[00:36:20] Etienne: And even if I did do it every day, literally every winter, usually January or February one of those months, I would get these horrible redness with crusty skin that just kept peeling off and just be so red around my eyes, around my mouth, usually the corners of my mouth get all cracked and red and peely skin. And, I'd have to go on antibiotics, doxycycline for six weeks every

[00:36:43] Heidi: Wow. 

[00:36:44] Etienne: And this has been happening since I first started working with pediatric oncology kids. So it started out way back when in like 2016 or 2017, I think was when I first was diagnosed with it. And I was actually misdiagnosed at first. So it took me a couple years to actually get the correct diagnosis. But yeah, last year, I think it was before the retreat, or right after the retreat, I decided I'm not doing the creams or the gels anymore. Just not doing them. Just let's see what happens. Just stopping using them. And I did not have a breakout this January and February, so I haven't had a breakout since January, February of 2024. It's been over a year and a half since I've had a breakout. And soon, it'll be a year since I've stopped using all of my nastiness that I had to use. Like literally I was using tacro, one of the meds that we give kids intravenously or orally to keep their immune system suppressed is what I was using on my face, around my mouth and my eyes every single day.

[00:37:38] Etienne: It was disgusting. Yeah. The, um, ivermectin cream. That was another one I'd use. Ivermectin Cream Tacro Gel, which was so disgusting. It's just straight up gel. And it would just sit there on my face and it was like, I couldn't like, turn my head on my pillow or just get attached to my pillow. You like

[00:37:58] Jane: no

[00:37:59] Etienne: start on my back and then whenever I roll over, hopefully it's sunk in by then, you know, like, 

[00:38:04] Heidi: Oh

[00:38:04] Etienne: Yeah. I was so happy to like just throw them all away. I think it was all related to stress. I think it was like stress of working with these kids. Yeah, stress of being a nurse in that field, and I just don't, I don't feel it anymore. So, yeah. I mean, imagine if you're, 'cause Jane, I think your stress level is pretty high. Imagine if your stress level just went down to like 5% of what it is right now. How do you think you'd feel? 

[00:38:29] Jane: Amazing. Yeah. And I definitely, I've been making conscious efforts, 'cause I did do some yoga and meditation on Saturday 'cause my day job has been a little bit nuts and I just was like, you know what? I just don't let it affect me anymore. It's not really that important in the grand scheme of things. And, just kind of shifting the way that I look at it is half the battle and then just having a steady mindfulness practice of some kind is like the other piece of the puzzle, um, for, for me. And that works. And I also would like to take a nice long salt bath, Heidi. I feel like I. 

[00:39:07] Etienne: meditation. 

[00:39:08] Heidi: I'm telling you, once I started taking that, like I, you guys know, I lost a ton of, ton of weight once I started doing those salt bath meditations, I like just decided meh, I don't need this fat suit armor anymore. And it melted away. I mean, I, I need to do some work on the few pounds that I gained during my nomadic travels. But, my thyroid is healed now. Like I was on thyroid medicine for 20 years 

[00:39:36] Heidi: and no. 

[00:39:37] Etienne: You healed your thyroid. 

[00:39:39] Heidi: Yeah, the last few times, my thyroid's been fine

[00:39:42] Etienne: That's amazing. That is an achievement. 

[00:39:45] Heidi: insane. Like that doesn't happen. Right. So yeah. Meditation, I don't know. And do it in salt bath, it's even more powerful. I don't know what it is. Salt cleanses. 

[00:39:57] Etienne: I mean, it might add to creating the electromagnetic field if you're in a salt water bath. You know, like that makes sense to me. 

[00:40:04] Heidi: Yeah. And I do reiki on myself the whole time too. So I'm just doing all the things.

[00:40:10] Jane: All the layers.

[00:40:11] Etienne: Yeah.

[00:40:16] Jane: Heidi and her meditation. Onion.

[00:40:18] Heidi: yes. Yes. 

[00:40:20] Etienne: Oh my 

[00:40:21] Heidi: I'm creating energy bubbles. Maybe the people need to come in and do their SATs in here after I'm 

[00:40:27] Jane: Nice. 

[00:40:27] Heidi: done. One of my baths.

[00:40:31] Etienne: Oh my God.

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